Reclaiming Our Children

Physicians Do Not Have To Tell Women Seeking Abortions That Procedure Kills Human Being

I honestly do not understand how a fetus is a person if someone murders the women, but is not a person if she has an abortion.

N.J. Supreme Court Rules That Physicians Do Not Have To Tell Women Seeking Abortions That Procedure Kills Human Being

17 Sep 2007   

The New Jersey Supreme Court on Wednesday unanimously ruled that physicians are not required to inform women seeking abortions that the procedure would result in "killing an existing human being," the New York Times reports (Kelley, New York Times, 9/13). The court in July 2006 agreed to hear the appeal of a decision that a jury can consider whether a doctor gave adequate medical information to a woman who claims she was unable to give informed consent to undergo an abortion.

According to court papers, physician Sheldon Turkish in 1996 told Rosa Acuna, who was eight weeks pregnant, that she had to undergo an "immediate abortion" because her pregnancy was causing damage to her kidneys. Acuna charges that Turkish "incorrectly told [her] ... that she was not aborting a human life" when she underwent the procedure, adding that she has experienced psychological trauma, including depression, post-traumatic stress disorder and psychosexual dysfunction, as a result of the abortion.

A trial judge previously had dismissed the case, stating that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that a "fetus is not a person," but an appellate court ruled that Acuna could sue for damages involving "a question of medical malpractice." A three-judge panel of the Appellate Division of the New Jersey Superior Court in April dismissed the wrongful death claim in the lawsuit but wrote that a jury could decide "[w]hat medical information is material and must be disclosed by an obstetrician when advising a patient to terminate a pregnancy and what medical information is material when the patient asks if the 'baby' is already there" (Kaiser Daily Women's Health Policy Report, 7/14/06). 

  State Supreme Court Ruling 
Justice Barry Albin in the state Supreme Court's opinion wrote that it is established that a doctor must provide women information about the medical risks of undergoing an abortion; however, there is no requirement for a doctor to go further. "We know of no common law duty requiring a physician to instruct the woman that the embryo is an 'existing human being' and suggesting that an abortion is tantamount to murder," Albin wrote, adding that there is no consensus among the medical community or residents that such a statement is based on medical facts rather than "firmly held moral, philosophical and religious beliefs."

Albin also wrote, "On the profound issue of when life begins, this court cannot drive policy in one particular direction by the engine of the common law when the opposing sides, which represent so many of our citizens, are arrayed along a deep societal and philosophical divide" (Coscarelli, Newark Star-Ledger, 9/13). The court ruled that physicians are only required "to provide their pregnant patients seeking an abortion with material medical information, including gestational stage and medical risks involved in the procedure" (AFP/Google.com, 9/12). Harold Cassidy, Acuna's lawyer, said the decision "deepened [Acuna's] resolve, and she has instructed me to file a petition in the United States Supreme Court" (New York Times, 9/13). 

  Reaction, Comments 
Cassidy said the decision is "stunning and surprising," adding, "Many women of our state are losing their children and their constitutionally protected interest in their relationship with their children in abortion procedures they would not have had if they were told truthful biological facts." John Zen Jackson, Turkish's attorney, said the case was a "Trojan Horse" to challenge Roe v. Wade -- the 1973 Supreme Court case that effectively barred state abortion bans. "The court correctly held there are limits to a physician's duty to obtain informed consent and that duty does not include the presentation of comments based in ideology, philosophy or politics," Jackson said (Newark Star-Ledger, 9/13).

Ed Barocas -- legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey, which filed a friend-of-the-court brief -- said, "Today's victory sends a message that New Jersey will not tolerate backdoor efforts to curtail reproductive rights or free speech." Drew Britcher -- an attorney for the New Jersey Obstetrical and Gynecological Society, who also filed a friend-of-the-court brief -- said, "The court struck the proper balance between the law of informed consent and the law that relates to an obstetrician or other physician's duty in advising the person who's pregnant."

Marie Tasy, executive director of New Jersey Right to Life, disagreed with the ruling, saying, "Once again the court relies upon an outdated, schizophrenic mentality to the detriment of women, and they are indulging in a game of semantic gymnastics to avoid the indisputable fact that a child in the womb is a human being" (New York Times, 9/13).

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Women who Have had Aboritons speak out

"I never wanted children, so when I fell pregnant at 30, despite using the contraceptive coil, I was in shock. I'd been involved in Pro-Choice campaigning, so was clear that I would have an abortion.

 

My boyfriend and I had barely been together five minutes and I'd just recovered from a bout of clinical depression."

This article made me sad..I guess it really hit me how self centered we have become and how so many lives have been destroyed because of it...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=481313&in_page_id=1879

No Defense here

Interesting attempt as a defense. This woman was claiming she could not have kidnapped this baby from its mom's womb because it has no personhood. Makes sense to me if we really are to believe it is not a person...but of course, it is, and so its personhood is only used depending on which way the wind blows...

           Steven Ertelt
          LifeNews.com Editor
          September 12, 2007
           

Kansas City, MO (LifeNews.com) -- A woman who cut open a pregnant mother's  stomach and stole her unborn child can't use the landmark Roe v. Wade abortion case as a defense, a judge has ruled. Lawyers for Lisa Montgomery argued the baby was not a person under law and, therefore, she can't be charged with kidnapping.          

Montgomery  made national headlines in December 2004 when she strangled Bobbie Jo Stinnett to death and cut open her stomach to steal her unborn child.

 Stinnett apparently met and befriended Montgomery through dog shows and Montgomery told her she wanted to buy a dog. But when Montgomery was at Stinnett's home she strangled the woman with a rope and used a knife to perform a crude Caesarian section.  

Once she had the baby, she paraded the infant around as her own.

 Judge John Maughmer determined on Monday that Montgomery's lawyers can't  use the abortion case as a defense to get her kidnapping charges removed.  

Chief  U.S. District Judge Fernando Gaitan will rule on Maughmer’s decision  before Montgomery's trial begins in October.

Before the alleged murder, Montgomery was married and had children of her  own.

 Her  family discussed the case with ABC's "Good Morning America"  in June 2006 and said their mother brandished a sonogram of an unborn child she claimed was her own. Later they found out the image was   printed from the Internet.  

"She had a picture of the ultrasound. I thought it was hers, of course. They told me she had just gotten it off the Internet," Carl James Boman, Montgomery's son, told ABC News.

 Kayla  Boman, Montgomery's daughter, told the television program her mother completely deceived her.  

"I guess you could say I never had doubt. My mom is the one who did it,  but it's hard to believe, you know? There I was the whole day at school looking at my little sister, and the next thing I know I'm hearing  she's not really my little sister," she said.

 Montgomery's children saw the newborn baby for the first time when she showed the child off at a store parking lot, just hours after Stinnett was killed.  

"She was definitely glowing, happy right then. I think she was proud of 'her' baby," Carl James Boman told ABC News.

 The  next day, Montgomery was charged with murder. The baby now lives with             her father and is in healthy condition. http://www.lifenews.com/printpage.php

 

The Abortion Movement Is Designed To Kill Black Babies

The Abortion Movement Is Designed To Kill Black Babies
By Dave Gibson  (09/12/07)  

Liberals often celebrate the abhorrent practice of abortion as 'a woman's right to choose.' However, the movement which seems to be the cornerstone of liberalism was actually designed to eradicate black people. Abortion on demand has been responsible for a genocide in the black community.

In 1921, Margaret Sanger founded the American Birth Control League which eventually became known as Planned Parenthood. Sanger was a racist who advocated eugenics, so-called 'selective breeding', euthanasia, sterilization, and abortion. She published several books in which she often referred to blacks as "genetically unfit" and "human weeds."

Sanger promoted something she called "race hygiene" for groups of people of whom she apparently thought had no self control nor any real purpose. In her 1920 book, What Every Girl Should Know, she said: "It said that a fish as large as a man has a brain no larger than the kernel of an almond. In all fish and reptiles where there is no great brain development, there is also no conscious sexual control. The lower down in the scale of human development we go the less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development, has so little sexual control that police authority alone prevents him from obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets."

You will never hear that previous bit of information from any pro-abortion activist. In fact, the organization which Sanger founded has tried to hide her racist motivations and claim that some of the hateful quotes attributed to the woman who could easily be described as the American Hitler, were simply taken out of context. Planned Parenthood has a section of their website dedicated to Sanger in which she is painted as a cross between Mother Theresa and Medgar Evers (My apologies to the families of both).

Here are a few quotes by Margaret Sanger:

"Give dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization."
Birth Control Review, April 1932

"Eugenics is...the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial and social problems."
Birth Control Review, October 1921

"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying...demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism."
The Pivot of Civilization, 1922

"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need. We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock."
Birth Control Review, April 1933

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
Woman, Mortality, and Birth Control, 1922

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
Sanger's letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, Dec. 19, 1939

Despite the preceding collection of well-documented racist quotes by their founder Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood makes the following statement on their website: "There is no evidence that Sanger, or the Federation, intended to coerce black women into using birth control."

While there is no doubt that the roots of the abortion movement stem from a great hatred of black people, it would seem that Planned Parenthood's desire to kill black babies is just as strong today. Over 78 percent pf that organization's abortion clinics are located inside or within close proximity to black neighborhoods. While blacks make up only 12 percent of the population, they account for 35 percent of this nation's abortions.

According to the Center for Disease Control, there were 11,156,700 black babies aborted between 1973-2001. Today, that number is estimated to be at least 13,000,000. We hear so much how violence is taking a tremendous toll on the black community an of course it is, but it cannot begin to compare to disaster of abortion.

13,000,000 black babies have been killed by abortion since 1973. Now compare the following leading causes of death and their respective numbers since that same year:
-AIDS...203,695
-Violent Crime...306,313
-Accidents...370,723
-Cancer...1,638,350

Legalizing abortion on demand has resulted in the murder of 13 million black babies since 1973. This was a dream of liberal elitists such as Margaret Sanger and continues today. The next time you hear someone touting the Roe v. Wade decision which brought about 'the right to choose'...ask that diversity-loving liberal to finish the sentence...Roe v. Wade actually brought about the right to choose to eradicate black children!
http://www.americandaily.com/article/20249

So much for Informed Choice

I cannot believe that there is still a question of when life begins after the photos from Newsweek and other publications...we all know when life begins...some of us just do not want to admit it...

NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — A doctor has no duty to tell a woman considering an abortion that her embryo is an "existing human being," a unanimous New Jersey Supreme Court ruled Wednesday, averting a trial over when human life begins.

The decision, citing past rulings, said the court "will not place a duty on doctors when there is no consensus in the medical community or among the public" on when life begins.

The 5-0 Supreme Court ruling reversed a unanimous ruling by a three-judge appeals panel.

"On the profound issue of when life begins, this court cannot drive public policy in one particular direction by the engine of the common law when the opposing sides, which represent so many of our citizens, are arrayed along a deep societal and philosophical divide," Justice Barry T. Albin wrote for the court.

The ruling came in a lawsuit filed by a woman who accused a doctor of failing to give her enough information before she signed a consent form for him to perform an abortion.

Rose Acuna questioned whether Dr. Sheldon C. Turkish misled her in 1996 about the development of the pregnancy, then in the sixth or seventh week.

She was 29 at the time and had two daughters following a miscarriage when she consulted Turkish, who had delivered her second child.

"According to Acuna, Turkish told her that she 'needed an abortion because (y)our kidneys are messing you up,'" court papers said. "Acuna asked Turkish whether 'the baby was already there.' According to Acuna, Turkish replied, 'Don't be stupid, it's only blood.'"

Acuna signed a consent form, and Turkish did the abortion. Bleeding continued, however, and seven weeks later Acuna went to a hospital. She was diagnosed with an incomplete abortion and had another procedure.

"According to her, one of the nurses caring for her explained that the procedure was necessary because Turkish 'had left parts of the baby inside of (her).' Thus, Acuna concluded based on the reference to 'the baby' that she had given consent to an abortion based on erroneous information," the appellate panel wrote last year.

Acuna, now 40, says she suffered emotional distress for the death of an unborn child.

Lawyers Acuna and the doctor did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrs9m50NDTbUyvg4Gy0ZyVfdRedg

At hearing, experts disagree on need for new abortion clinic rules in Missouri

For all the talk of "safe, legal" abortion, these clinics obviously are not concerned enough to comply with the same regulations ambulatory surgical centers.

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/269783.html

 

Check this out

Go here http://www.jillstanek.com/  and then scroll down to the World Clock

Over 31 million abortions already this year...when I saw this in this format, it made me want to cry.
For those of you who may not know who Jill is:
"I was a registered nurse in the Labor & Delivery Department at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois, in 1999 when discovering babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in the soiled utility room." Check the rest of her bio here http://www.jillstanek.com/bio.html

Update on Tiller

Group allowed to present late-term abortion case

By John Hanna

The Associated Press

Published

Friday, September 07, 2007

It wasn't the criminal trial abortion opponents had hoped for, but a legislative committee allowed them to air a case against Dr. George Tiller that was tossed out of court last year.

Anti-abortion groups also staged a small rally during a lunch break Thursday, and about 40 people marched to the building that houses Attorney General Paul Morrison's office. Their chants called on him to enforce a 1998 state law restricting late-term abortions and to resign for not being vigorous enough in prosecuting Tiller, one of a few U.S.doctors performing late-term abortions.

Opponents of abortion carry inflatable guitars in a rally Thursday outside the Statehouse to protest a woman who purportedly said she needed the procedure so she could attend a rock concert. Participants also took Attorney General Paul Morrison to task.

Dr. Douglas Mould, a psychologist, says mental health problems faced by women with unwanted pregnancies are sometimes trivialized.

Morrison has filed 19 misdemeanors against Tiller in Sedgwick County, alleging the Wichita doctor didn't obtain a second opinion on late-term abortions from an independent physician, as required by the law.

Many abortion foes say Tiller should be prosecuted instead for performing such procedures for "trivial" reasons, not medical emergencies. Morrison's predecessor, Phill Kline, brought such a case in December, only to see it dismissed for jurisdictional reasons.

The legislative committee reviewed a DVD recording of an interview with abortion opponents' star witness, who said the mental health problems Tiller saw in patients couldn't justify aborting viable fetuses. A Wichita-area psychologist later said that assessment was wrong, though anti-abortion members of the committee were skeptical.

Meanwhile, Morrison continued to worry that the publicity generated by abortion opponents' campaign against Tiller would affect his case. His office believed playing the DVD could make it more difficult to find an impartial jury.

"I don't know what, if any, repercussions that's going to have," Morrison said. "We'll have to talk about it."

Morrison didn't attend the legislative hearing. He also wasn't in his office when the anti-abortion protesters arrived because he was attending an international conference on financial fraud in the
Kansas   City area.

"It's up to us to keep the pressure on," Kathy Ostrowski, a lobbyist for Kansans for Life, the state's largest anti-abortion group, told the activists before their march from the Statehouse.

Tiller's attorneys have repeatedly said he is innocent.

"This is just another attempt to dredge up the dismissed case peddled by Phill Kline," said attorney Dan Monnat. "Dr. Tiller has fought for years to protect the privacy of the women's medical files. It's sad that once again, these women have to continue to wonder whether the content of their files is going to be exploited for political gain."

The legislative committee's hearing became the arena for reviewing allegations against Tiller because it is reviewing the 1998 late-term abortion law. It may recommend changes.

The law applies after the 21st week of pregnancy and when a fetus can survive outside the womb. For an abortion to be performed, two doctors must conclude that if the pregnancy continues, a woman or girl could die or face "substantial and irreversible" harm to "a major bodily function." Also, the two physicians can't be legally or financially affiliated.

Abortion opponents believe the law was meant to prevent doctors from aborting viable fetuses unless there was a medical emergency. More than 2,600 late-term abortions have occurred in Kansas since the law took effect.

Kline alleged that Tiller performed 15 abortion in 2003 when his patients suffered from such conditions as anxiety or single-episode depression. Kline's wife, Deborah, attended Thursday's legislative hearing, as a private citizen, she said.

Morrison, an abortion-rights Democrat, defeated Kline, an anti-abortion Republican, in last year's election.

But before Kline left office, he paid Paul McHugh, the former chairman of the psychiatry department at
Johns Hopkins University, to review records from Tiller's clinic. McHugh would have been an expert witness for the state had Kline's case gone forward, and he is still listed as a potential witness in Morrison's case.

In June, two weeks before Morrison filed his charges, McHugh sat for a 44-minute interview arranged and recorded by abortion opponents.

McHugh said in the interview, "There's no psychological condition for which abortion is the cure."

"We're talking about the loss of a life, the life of a pain-feeling, sensory-feeling, fully organized human being," McHugh said of the late-term abortions. "These are the very kinds of little babies that are being taken care of in ICUs all around our country."

After the committee reviewed McHugh's interview, psychologist Douglas Mould, of Benton, testified that McHugh trivialized some of the mental problems women with unwanted pregnancies face. Mould said some potential problems, such as postpartum depression, could be serious enough to justify an abortion.

A majority of committee members oppose abortion and didn't seem sympathetic to his arguments. That was especially true when Mould cited Andrea Yates, the Houston mother who went to prison for drowning her five children in 2001, as a case of how damaging postpartum depression can be.

"Would have it been better for her five children to have been aborted, rather than suffer at her hands after they were born?" asked Rep. Mike O'Neal, a Hutchinson Republican who opposes abortion.

After a pause, Mould answered, "I think that's a very difficult question to answer."

Abortion opponents also want to revive Kline's case in court. On Wednesday, they presented a petition with more than 7,800 signatures, almost three times the amount necessary, to force a grand jury to convene in Sedgwick County to investigate Tiller.

 

Former UN population czar reveals ties with "Catholics" for a Free Choice

"With the passing of Pope Paul VI, everything became much harder. The cordial working atmosphere vanished almost overnight and has never returned. Instead, we found distrust, covert opposition and open hostility, not only to contraception but to all aspects of women's empowerment and gender equality."Nafis Sadik, the former head of the UN Population Fund (UNFPA),

In other words, the Catholic church would not go along with contraception, abortion an other things that the pro abortion movement was pushing...

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=53266

Mother Teresa

Ran across this and just thought of how, with so few words she said so much...

Mother Teresa of Calcutta on abortion

“What is taking place in America”

"America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation.